• What JGIG Is:

    Joyfully Growing In Grace engages in an examination of beliefs found in the Hebrew Roots Movement, Messianic Judaism, and Netzarim streams of thought and related sects.

    The term “Messianic” is generally understood to describe Jews who have come to believe in Yeshua/Jesus as their Messiah. Jews who are believers in Jesus/Yeshua typically call themselves Jewish/Hebrew Christians or simply, Christians.

    Many Christians meet folks who say they are ‘Messianic’ and assume that those folks are Jewish Christians. Most aren’t Jewish at all, but are Gentile Christians who have chosen to pursue Torah observance and have adopted the Messianic term, calling themselves Messianic Christians, adherents to Messianic Judaism, or simply, Messianics. Some will even try to avoid that label and say that they are followers of "The Way".

    These Gentiles (and to be fair, some Messianic Jews) preach Torah observance/pursuance for Christians, persuading many believers that the Christianity of the Bible is a false religion and that we must return to the faith of the first century sect of Judaism that they say Yeshua (Jesus Christ) embraced. According to them, once you become aware that you should be 'keeping' the edicts and regulations of Mosaic Covenant Law, if you do not, you are then in willful disobedience to God.

    It has been my observation that Christians who adopt the label of Messianic identify more with the tenets of Judaism than they do with the tenets of Christianity. Many reject the label of Christian altogether and some eventually even convert to Judaism.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 says, "But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil."

    Joyfully Growing in Grace examines the methods, claims, and fruits of the Hebrew Roots Movement, Messianic Judaism, and Netzarim streams of thought and related, law-keeping sects.

    To borrow from a Forrest Gump quote, “Law ‘keepers’ are like a box of chocolates - ya never know what you’re gonna get!” The goal of JGIG is to be a resource to help those affected by the Torah pursuant movements to try and sort out what they’re dealing with. Make use of the tabs with drop-down menus found at the top of this site – there’s tons of info there, and it’s very navigable.

    Be sure to click on the many embedded links within the posts here - there's lots of additional and related information for you to access that way, as well.

    Welcome, and may God grant you wisdom and discernment as you consider all of these things.

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Video Resources

As there aren’t a lot of these at the moment, these are presented in no particular order, all highly recommended:

Bob George

Bob George

Bob George

I became familiar with Bob George’s teaching when I found an audio teaching that he did simply titled, ‘The New Covenant’.  It’s hands-down one of the best teachings I’ve heard on the subject of the New Covenant, and unfortunately, no longer available. [Update!  It’s back!  Now available at BobGeorge.net – just click HERE or on the embedded link above.  Special thanks to the Admin. staff at BobGeorge.net for again making this excellent teaching available!]  Bob had a stroke a few years ago and is no longer actively teaching, but as he was a pastor and host of a radio show for many years, there are quite a few audio and some video archives available of his teachings, with more being added over time.  I have not listened to/viewed them all, but can recommend his stuff, much of which has been archived at BobGeorge.net.  Another great resource is the book, Classic Christianity by Bob George.  I have a copy and recommend it highly.  Teaching is from the Evangelical stream of faith with a special emphasis on Old/New Covenant issues.   Here’s a partial list of the teachings available – most are 45-55 minutes in length, and series descriptions are from the BobGeorge.net site:

Must-listen teachings:

Rob Rufus

Rob Rufus

Rob Rufus

In December of 2012, through a bunny trail I followed from the stats page here at JGIG I came across the teaching of Rob Rufus.  What a treat!  Rob has been a pastor for over 30 years, having planted several churches. He is in Hong Kong currently, having planted a church there several years ago.  I started listening to selected teachings from the archives and found myself to be sooooo refreshed. Refreshed and affirmed. God was confirming to me so many things about the Gospel that I had learned over the past several years of intensively studying Old and New Covenant issues.  Rob is more in the charismatic stream, active in the Gifts of the Spirit. That challenges me; I’m no cessationist, but am cautious about such things because of the abuses by some. I can’t say that I’m comfortable with everything he teaches (not that I’ve heard it all; the archives are extensive), but the vast majority of what I’ve heard so far is theologically sound, with a really strong and appropriate emphasis on Old Covenant/New Covenant issues.  This guy preaches the Gospel ‘full preach’ =o).  And if the Spirit of God shows up in the midst of that, well hey, I’m okay with that =o).  Folks, these are powerful teachings that clearly teach the Truths of the Old/New Covenants.  Enjoy! 


Ryan Rufus

Ryan Rufus 2011Ryan Rufus, son of Rob, co-ministers with Rob at City Church International in Hong Kong.  Ryan gives one of the best presentations of the Gospel I’ve ever heard; it’s very gentle and joyful yet thorough.  As with some of Rob’s teachings above, there is translation into Cantonese (CCI has both English speaking and Cantonese speaking folks in their congregation).  Rather than finding this to be a distraction, I found it to be 1) a beautiful reminder that the Gospel was given to all tongues and tribes, and 2) I found myself reflecting on and digesting each point that was being made as the translation went on.  The video version of this five-part series is posted here; the audio version is posted on the Audio/Text Resources page.  Guys, the best way to refute HRM or any other false teaching is to have a firm grasp on Who Jesus is, What He came to do, What that actually accomplished, and Who we as believers are in Him.  The following series does all of that very gently and clearly.  I was very blessed and refreshed and affirmed (and yes, challenged!) in Christ as I listened to the following.  Enjoy!


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For more resources regarding the Hebrew Roots/Messianic movements see the Post Index and the Articles Page.  General study helps, discernment, and apologetics sites can be found HERE.

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